Mexican Drug War

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4 verwundete polizisten
4 tote gunmen

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[pointi2009]

die eine kleine Schachtel 7,62x39 bitte zu mir

[cowroper]

Im "Drug War" sind schon ungleich mehr Menschen ums Leben gekommen als durch Drogen.

cowroper

[Philosoph]

Wer es nicht weiß: In Mexiko herrscht strengstes Waffenverbot. Anscheinend hält man sich nicht daran. Komisch.

[pointi2009]

sind ja auch sicher alles legal erworbene stücke metall

[kemira]

Wer es nicht weiß: In Mexiko herrscht strengstes Waffenverbot. Anscheinend hält man sich nicht daran. Komisch.

So streng wie in England, oder noch strenger?

[cowroper]

So streng wie in England, oder noch strenger?

Wie man ganz klar erkennen kann noch viel strenger

cowroper

[rubylaser694]

Anscheinend ist "Project Gunrunner" ziemlich lukrativ!

http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/atf ... uns-mexico

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) -- the agency tasked with keeping U.S. guns from being smuggled to Mexico -- has now come under fire for allegedly allowing firearms to cross the border into Mexico; Senator Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) sent a letter to the ATF stating that his office had "received numerous allegations that the ATF sanctioned the sale of hundreds of assault weapons to suspected straw purchasers, who then allegedly transported these weapons throughout the Southwest border area and into Mexico"

A former ATF agent told FoxNews.com on condition of anonymity that ATF Headquarters allowed guns to cross the border, for the reason that ATF wanted to glean more intelligence about who would come to possess the guns and what regions of the country they would end up in.

Additionally, Dick Deguerin, attorney for a Texas gun store named “Carter Country,” told Fox26 Houston that the ATF asked the store to sell the guns to even those they thought were going to smuggle them to Mexico — so that ATF could track where the guns went.

“Controlled delivery is an investigative technique that allows specific consignments of illegal drugs or other controlled substances to pass through the territory of one or more states with the objective of identifying not only the street dealers, but the individuals controlling the drug trade network,”

http://www.america.gov/st/eur-english/2 ... z1CmwD8i00

Grassley’s first letter to the ATF hinted at the potential problems with allowing firearms to cross borders, writing that two of the weapons that the ATF allegedly sanctioned to be sold to straw purchasers were sold to Mexican gangs and “were then allegedly used in a firefight on 14 December, 2010, against Customs and Border Protection agents, killing CBP Agent Brian Terry.”

Gun rights bloggers have speculated that the reason for allowing the guns into Mexico was to pad statistics on the number of guns crossing the border — the suspicion being that a higher number would make the ATF’s mission in preventing the guns from crossing seem all the more urgent.

The former ATF agent who spoke with FoxNews.com said that he had no reason to think that padding the statistics was a motivation.

FoxNews.com previously reported that an often-quoted statistic that 90 percent of guns used in Mexico crimes came from the United States referred to traceable guns. Many guns found at Mexican crime scenes either cannot be traced, or are clearly not of U.S. origin, or are not sent back to the United States for tracing.

None of the claims about the ATF allowing guns to cross the border have been conclusively proved. Senator Grassley has called for the ATF to be more transparent to allow the truth to come out

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/47909152/ATF1-1
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47909228/ATF2

[rubylaser694]

So streng wie in England, oder noch strenger?

Ist ähnlich. Irgend wo hab ich den Link mit dem übersetzten Mexikanischen Waffengesetz...muss noch suchen...
Hier die USA Sicht.
http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/tijuana/warning.html

Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico

WaffG auf Spanisch
http://www.diputados.gob.mx/LeyesBiblio/pdf/102.pdf

Verfassung von 1917
http://www.diputados.gob.mx/LeyesBiblio/pdf/1.pdf

Artículo 10. Los habitantes de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos tienen derecho a poseer armas en su domicilio, para su seguridad y legítima defensa, con excepción de las prohibidas por la Ley Federal y de las reservadas para el uso exclusivo del Ejército, Armada, Fuerza Aérea y Guardia Nacional. La ley
federal determinará los casos, condiciones, requisitos y lugares en que se podrá autorizar a los
habitantes la portación de armas.

Article 10: The inhabitants of the United Mexican States have a right to arms in their homes, for security and legitimate defense, with the exception of arms prohibited by federal law and those reserved for the exclusive use of the Army, Navy, Air Force and National Guard. Federal law will determine the cases, conditions, requirements, and places in which the carrying of arms will be authorized to the inhabitants.

http://www.yumasun.com/articles/guns-63 ... -laws.html

Perhaps the strict laws are discouraging law-abiding Mexico citizens from keeping firearms for self-defense, but they are not preventing the criminals who prey on them from being armed to the teeth. It is a case study in why anti-gun laws are ineffective in stemming misuse of guns.

[pointi2009]

@rubylaser: das Zitat ist ja sehr aufschlussreich, nur verstehen die meisten AWN diese Aussage nicht wirklich

[rubylaser694]

http://www.panda.com/mexicoguns/
http://www.diputados.gob.mx/LeyesBiblio/pdf/102.pdf

Artículo 27. A los extranjeros sólo se les podrá autorizar la portación de armas cuando, además de satisfacer los requisitos señalados en el artículo anterior, acrediten su calidad de inmigrados, salvo el caso del permiso de licencia temporal para turistas con fines deportivos.
(Unofficial translation)
Article 27. The right to bear arms will only be authorized for foreigners when, in addition to satisfying the requirements indicated in the previous article, they accredit their status of "Inmigrados" [equivalent to permanent residents], except in the case of temporary license permits for tourists with sports-related intentions.

What this all means:
Visitors do not have RKBA rights without a license. This license is only issued for "sporting purposes".

Mexican citizens and "inmigrados" have RKBA in their homes, and only of permitted firearms. The privilege of carrying a firearm outside of one's home is limited to what is authorized by Mexican federal law.

All privately-owned firearms are registered with the Mexican army.

Article 11 of Ley Federal de Armas de Fuego y Explosivos lists prohibited "military firearms" in Mexico. They include:

•anything full-auto
•any semi-auto handgun larger than 380 (e.g., 9mm, .38 Super, or larger)
•any revolver in .357 Magnum or larger
•any rifle in larger than .30 caliber
•any shotgun larger than 12ga or with a barrel shorter than 25".
Where there are prohibitions, there are penalties. The penalties for possession of prohibited "military firearms" include: 3-12 months in prison for bayonets, sabers and lances, 1-7 years for .357 magnum revolvers and any revolver larger than a .38 Special, and 2-12 years for other prohibited weapons. You don't want to run afoul of this law!

Members of hunting clubs may be able to acquire hunting guns in an otherwise-prohibited caliber.

There is one gun store in the country (in Mexico City). It takes about a month for your purchase to be approved. Approval will be denied once you own more than 2 handguns or 10 long guns.

Carry permits exist for outside of your home, but generally not for mere mortals. Even if you get a carry permit, the biggest that you can carry is 380.

Laut den Artikeln gibts in Mexiko nur ein offizielles Waffengeschäft! !
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03644.html

To go shopping for a gun in Mexico, customers must come to Mexico City - even if they live 1,300 miles away in Ciudad Juarez. To gain entry to the store, which is on a secure military base, customers must present valid identification, pass through a metal detector, yield to the security wand and surrender cellphones and cameras.

To buy a gun, clients must submit references and prove that their income is honestly earned, that their record is free of criminal charges and that their military obligations, if any, have been fulfilled with honor. They are fingerprinted and photographed. Finally, if judged worthy of owning a small-caliber weapon to protect home and hearth, they are allowed to buy just one. And a box of bullets.

http://rollybrook.com/guns.htm
Hier das offizielle Formular für die Wafenregistrierung!
http://www.sedena.gob.mx/pdf/tramites/r ... FC-009.pdf

[woodchuck]

die eine kleine Schachtel 7,62x39 bitte zu mir

darfs ein bisschen mehr sein